"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
08/30/2017 at 00:07 • Filed to: Thoughts, Boatlopnik, Houston, boats boats boats
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"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
08/30/2017 at 00:07 • Filed to: Thoughts, Boatlopnik, Houston, boats boats boats | 2
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The preppers who keep a year’s supply of food have a point.
I should buy a boat.
sony1492
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:14 |
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It took me longer than it should’ve to realize peppers isn’t a restaurant chain
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For Sweden
> sony1492
08/30/2017 at 00:15 |
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I could blame Kinja, but that was my fault :/
Die-Trying
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:17 |
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been thinking about that one for a while now too...... i have a ridiculous desire for a SHORT aluminium canoe
something like so, but in a stupid short (say 8 foot) length.........
DipodomysDeserti
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:18 |
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A years food supply, 20k rounds of ammo, and thirty firearms for their family of four...
but no drinkable water.
HammerheadFistpunch
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:19 |
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I don’t have a need for a boat, but food supply is always on my mind. I would guess we have about 2 weeks worth plus a weeks worth of water.
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For Sweden
> DipodomysDeserti
08/30/2017 at 00:20 |
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Maybe the filtration straws that Kinja Deals advertises would be better than bottled water?
And while I don’t know the history of Houston PD, some families would be better off with the guns and ammo instead of calling, say, Chicago PD.
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For Sweden
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 00:21 |
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Grumman or bust.
If they can build something that lands on the moon, they should build your canoe.
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Die-Trying
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:26 |
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definitely, lifetime products.....
and they polish up real pretty too.......
farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 00:27 |
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in case of flooding i think i’ll just nick one of the local tourist traps
Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
> DipodomysDeserti
08/30/2017 at 00:31 |
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Why store water when you can just drink your own pee?
SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:33 |
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Rubbish. Your neighbours and their pets are edible (so is the food in their pantries). And there are many things that float...
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Die-Trying
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
08/30/2017 at 00:36 |
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the downside, is that you have to be quick to the nick, because a whole lot of other people have that same plan too........ and ammunition..........
Steve in Manhattan
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:39 |
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My prepper plan is to make sure I have a fat debit card so I can use Seamless twice a day ... what could possibly go wrong?!
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 00:39 |
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true enough... well ammunition not so much.. unless the army barracks up the road decides they need the clog boats
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For Sweden
> Steve in Manhattan
08/30/2017 at 00:43 |
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The beauty of Manhattan is the great amount of empty apartments above the flood line.
Tristan
> DipodomysDeserti
08/30/2017 at 00:49 |
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Have you ever noticed how fat and out of shape most preppers are? They act like they’re ready to conquer any challenge, but they can barely conquer a flight of stairs.
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DipodomysDeserti
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:52 |
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Those straws work well. I got a bunch of free ones when they first came out. I have one of these bad boys just to filter my tap water. Takes a while to filter but works well.
I haven’t heard any stories of Houston PD gunning down mentally challenged people or carryong out executions en mass, so they’re at least better than New Orleams PD.
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Tristan
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 00:53 |
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Here in the PNW I find that the “big one” (magnitude 9+ earthquake) is always nagging me in the back of my mind. I should at least stock a couple of weeks worth of food and water, really. Some more 9mm might not be a bad idea either considering the insanity that will become the Portland area... Heck, it’s dangerous enough without the post-apocalyptic hellscape.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Tristan
08/30/2017 at 00:54 |
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Yes, I have noticed that. They are also usually not hustlers. Hustling is what keeps you alive when society goes to shit. They think having a penis extender is enough.
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Tristan
> DipodomysDeserti
08/30/2017 at 00:56 |
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Guns and MREs will keep you and your family alive for a few days, but you’re gonna need some skills for the long term!
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Steve in Manhattan
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 01:01 |
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We’re high up on the UWS, and on the 9th Floor. Still, I could get an inflatable ....
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DipodomysDeserti
> Tristan
08/30/2017 at 01:03 |
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Yeah, and the guns are of minimal use. The last thing I want my four year-old to see is me blowing someone’s head apart. At that point, you’ve lost. You’re better off getting the fuck out of Dodge before it gets messy. Conflict avoidance is the best solution.
Berang
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 01:04 |
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if you have a boat you can just boat to some food.
unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 01:14 |
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GRUMMAN THREAD
Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 04:32 |
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I have a couple of weeks’ food and water in the apartment, and walls thick enough I don’t feel the need for a gun - Im prepared to gamble on order being re-established in that time.
Having said that:
I live on top of a 100ft hill so any flood or tsunami I have to worry about I probably don’t want to survive
I live in an earthquake zone, but in a multistory unreinforced brick building, so any earthquake worth worrying about I probably WON’T survive.
I live in a city built on 30 extinct volcanos. If Mother Nature decides to go for 31, we will apparently get about 3 days warning because the ground will swell and they have sensors. And at the first hint of an eruption warning I AM FUCKING OUT OF HERE! I know where I’m heading and I know the backroad routes to get there without getting gridlocked on the freeway.
I truly don’t understand people who choose to ride out a natural disaster. I sympathize with those who can’t afford to run, but for the majority who can, why wouldn’t you? Not having to go mano a mano with nature is why we climbed out of the trees, people: you can’t win, she’s always going to outgun you.
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Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
> Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
08/30/2017 at 04:49 |
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More practically, I should add: advice from a colleague who survived the Christchurch earthquake is that the easiest preparation you can make is don’t let your gas tank get below half full. All those queues at gas stations are near the epicenter.
He learned that after running the last 10 miles home to make sure his wife and kids were ok, because the cell network was jammed and he’d been running on empty....
McMike
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 05:50 |
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Don’t forget charcoal.
EL_ULY
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 07:28 |
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Sooo many taco stands were open during all this. Yummm! Lol MREs
PatBateman
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 08:34 |
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From recent experience, this is the best boat for a flood emergency:
That, or...
nermal
> EL_ULY
08/30/2017 at 08:51 |
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How much was the upcharge for the taco stands working in hazard conditions? Or were they regularly priced?
Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 09:39 |
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I think Bill Burr explained prepping best. Unless you can defend yourself you are just stocking up for the toughest kid on the block
crowmolly
> Tristan
08/30/2017 at 09:45 |
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Went back-and-forth with a prepper about that once.
Something like: “What are you going to do, shoot your diabetes? It’s not very prepper of you to build physical dependencies on manufactured substances like pills”.
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EL_ULY
> nermal
08/30/2017 at 09:46 |
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None. That’s why im still stuffed lol :] Mmmm, torta de borrego and tacos de tripitas.
TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 09:58 |
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I’ve been threatening to build one of these for years:
I just need to clean out the garage to make some room.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 10:01 |
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After our area flooded last year, my wife started talking about getting a boat. So I went looking for a couple of tandem kayaks. Then I found out she wants something more like a john boat. :/
Dave the car guy , still here
> For Sweden
08/30/2017 at 10:25 |
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I just want to know how many prepper supplies are under water because they were on the ground floor.
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For Sweden
> Berang
08/30/2017 at 12:28 |
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Or I could bring food to 52 people for a week.
ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 12:34 |
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Ha. My emergency store consists of a few gallons of water and a filter, some batteries, two cases of MRE’s, and ammunition.
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/30/2017 at 14:46 |
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i had been youtube researching those pine strip canoes for a while. there is NOT MUCH to them. just a whole lot of tedious repetative cutting. if i could muster more room for a long term project like that, i would be all over it......
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 15:01 |
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My other thought was building a skin-on-frame canoe. I think these are just as nice and may be easier to build.
My wife just wants me to finish the french drain project, the office rebuild, the garage cleanout project, the ....
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/30/2017 at 15:11 |
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i have even been tempted to try and make some wooden bucks, for the shape of a canoe, and skin it out of some of the old metal junk in the yard...... frdges, and washers.....
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 15:21 |
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Sounds heavy.
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/30/2017 at 15:31 |
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i was thinking of a SHORT canoe. might come up to 8 feet long. the fridges, and washers would get skinned, and the skins hammered over the form and welded together for a watertight fit....(could also skin out a few old car hoods)...... maybe 50 lbs?...... them fridges arent anything too thick.......
its still in the dumb idea phase..... just imagine paddling along, with the fridge magnets still attached, with the old good grade pin ons, and art gallery still there....
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 15:56 |
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Let’s see, a skin on frame 8-footer is about 11 lbs. An 8' pram is about 100 lbs, but is much wider. I can’t find an aluminum canoe shorter than 12 feet , but that one is about 48 lbs. However, it is professionally built. I’m guessing you are probably right and could build one around 50 lbs. It would be a novel design, for sure!
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/30/2017 at 16:19 |
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it would a great adventure for sure...... especially the first time that it gets took out on the water........ hoping and praying that it doesnt spring a leak.......
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 16:21 |
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I want to see someone build one of these.
I see the plans on craigslist all the time.
https://lakecharles.craigslist.org/boa/d/folding-macgyver-kayak-plans/6200987139.html
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/30/2017 at 16:33 |
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that looks like some amazing fun. almost like some of those 1 sheet of plywood boat builds....
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 19:21 |
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I’ve seen those, but I’ve never seen a completed one in person.
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/30/2017 at 20:36 |
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i have seen exactly 1. it looked like a small coffin. it was poorly built, and was always taking on some kind of water at the seams. i was worried FOR the guy in it. sketch factor 7.......
so what do you think? a 1 man viking longboat, built for one, out of sheetmetal?.......
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
08/30/2017 at 21:59 |
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That would be awesome! But I fear that a scaled-down version wouldn’t be seaworthy.
http://canoeing.com/canoes/canoe-design/
https://www.madrivercanoe.com/us/experience/faq/content/canoe-design-hull-design
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/30/2017 at 22:10 |
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that canoe design is an interesting read..... definitely food for thought......
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
08/31/2017 at 05:31 |
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I spent some time with a friend’s kayaks last year. He has a Hobie with a mirage drive and a Native Watercraft Ultimate, which looks like a canoe with a modified cross-section. The ultimate was one of the more stable designs I’ve paddled, but was also fairly fast and tracked really well. The cross-section is unusual at the beam. It looks like a tunnel-hull or a pseudo-catamaran. I’ve been wracking my brain trying to figure out a good way to make a pseudo-cat hull with skin-on-frame techniques.
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/31/2017 at 13:10 |
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that one that you had posted a little ways up, is not too far off from being able to pull it out. a lot would come down to how you would design a strong back mold template to hold the skeleton of the skin on boat. maybe a multpiece crossbrace to help in getting it out once the skin has set up?....... that would be another real fun project to undertake....... also it wouldnt take as long to realize whatever patternt you had been working on needs to be entirely tweaked somewhere...... say after 50hrs in vs 400hrs invested.........
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
09/01/2017 at 06:13 |
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A lot of that depends on the skin material. You’re right, it would be much easier with some type of metal, but I’m leaning toward stretched canvas. Fiberglass would be an option, but that would eliminate any possibility of light weight. Carbon fiber would work too. The biggest weight savings there would be in my wallet.
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
09/01/2017 at 15:47 |
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fiberglass ought to go real quick...... you should just need what, some kind of decent fabric, and some resin to lay over the skeleton?....... this boat is halfway built already.... well if you dont get hung up on minor things, like “QUALITY”..........
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
09/01/2017 at 16:30 |
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I’ve seen some of the “organic” speaker builds. They use felt as a base layer, add resin, add chopped fiberglass, then add a final layer of resin.
Seems heavy.
Maybe a combination of materials - fiberglass on the bottom to get the shape and stretched canvas on the sides.
Hmmmmm (thinking thoughts on how that would work).
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
09/01/2017 at 16:52 |
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because herein lies the thing......... how mean do you realistically plan to be with a canoe...... not exactly going whitewater rafting..... and normally are not loading it down with more than about 300 more pounds AT MOST, right. so depending on how abusive you are planning to be with a boat, COULD mean being able to “cut corners”....... how tough does your boat need to be, in order to be a good boat?....... might be able to get away with only having to reinforce a few strategic spots, instead of the entire mess....
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
09/01/2017 at 23:44 |
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When I do go canoeinget, it’s always tandem. With me being a fairly big guy, adding a second person gets us over 300 lbs without any gear. I also want to keep it light so it can be put on top of the car.
I think I can put together a decent skin on frame, but I really liked the Native Ultimate I borrowed last year. The cross section looked like a flattened “W” which gave it good tracking and stability. It’s like a tunnel hull. That shape would be easy to mold, but would be difficult to produce as a skin-on-frame.
So, it’s not a matter of making it particularly tough, it’s about getting the shape right.
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
09/02/2017 at 00:28 |
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i think that if you were to get sneaky enough with your cross-beam structure, that you could pull off just about any design/shape you were after. but it just might start to get a slight bit heavier. also, the more front to back bracing that you were to put into it, would mean that those braces wouldnt need to be as substantial, to give the same strength. they would be there for shape.
like we were talking about just the other day, nice thing about a skin on, is that prototyping would be a lot quicker, with less time lost in “researching” what doesnt work.........
come to think of it, you could put as many mid cross braces as you wanted, to tweak the shape, and the front to back skin bracing wouldnt NEED to go all the way front to back. just far enough to get your shape. this is looking easier all the time......
and o a few of these, you see cheater stuffs, like the strings to get that last bits of organic shape.....
you could always start out in the carboard, posterboard, and elmers glue, until you got happy with the shape in a small scale........ nice thing about fiberglass resin, and hair, is that you can just keep piling on more layers until its right.........
i might just have to put one together too.....
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
09/02/2017 at 01:04 |
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Think of it as a more extreme version of the orange hull on the left. The challenge is to do this with stretched canvas. It would have to be stapled down along the length of each cross member. All the stapling would compromise the integrity of the canvas.
All the ones you posted have nice obtuse shapes which don’t have this problem. I’d have to do it in fiberglass which is what I’m trying to avoid. All the resin will add weight.
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
09/02/2017 at 01:28 |
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would it be entirely out of the question to do something stupid, like put an external rib there to direct the fabric?
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
09/02/2017 at 07:26 |
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Some of the skin-on-frame designs use an external rail along the keel to protect the skin from rubbing on rocks.
So, it’s not out of the question.
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
09/02/2017 at 18:59 |
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it occured to me how you MIGHT be able to get the shape that you are after.
IF you were able to strategically sew in some hoops/loops/pockets, on the INSIDE of the canvas hull you might be able to pull a bind inwards against your frame. to be able to get that radical change of shape direction, to keep that high tension against the frame....
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Die-Trying
09/04/2017 at 11:02 |
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I’m thinking the best approach would be to drape the cloth over the bottom, pull it tight from bow to stern, then use an epoxy on the bottom to lock in the shape. Then I could add keel strips to lock it in place. The last step would be to pull the sides tight and finish them like a normal skin on frame. It would be a hybrid creation, but I think it would work.
Now to clear out the garage....
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Die-Trying
> TheRealBicycleBuck
09/04/2017 at 22:05 |
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that sounds like it does have a ton of potential........